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Money & Art | Fighting to reach your upper limit.
Christi. Good morning, my love welcome to another episode of the money and arts in our pointers podcast, our it’s yours no two. We are strictly not strictly we talk about money and the arts, what are the beliefs and how you and I on our separate journeys have started breaking through all of these beliefs and we want to share them with you. How was your week.
It was great, it was very, very peaceful this week, not allowed to report Ah, I really have been diving more into reading I’m committed actually, Jay, I made a commitment for February have things that we’re going to surrender and things that we are looking at personal goals and physical goals and all that. So one of my surrenders is online scrolling. So more reading less being what I say plugged in, because sometimes I literally feel plugged in. So I, I removed a lot of unnecessary part, you know, my business requires me to be online. But anything else outside of that I removed myself and I spent more time reading the speak. And it was just wonderful, because it’s just such a pastime that I love that when things get you know, schedules get full. That’s the first thing to go to the wayside. So I’ve picked it back up and made that a priority. So yeah, how about
Oh, boy about me. So it was a very full week. I found myself completely in love with having interviews and the podcast. I learned so much on how you can actually have a podcast as a business, how you can make it as a business. What do you what do you need to make it as a business? And that lights me up? like finding new people sharing their story, connecting with them by something that I was so scared off a few months ago? Yeah. So it’s a big aha moment for me. Because while reading The Big Leap, I was like, Oh, my gosh, I actually really, truly took a leap here into perhaps out of my comfort zone into my zone of excellence. Not excellence. Genius. And, you know, once this becomes my zone of excellence, then there’s the next step. Yes, so yeah,
That kind of ties into what we’re talking about then today.
Yes, yeah. Yeah, fighting or reaching your upper limit, regardless on where you are, and that has, like, really, really straight coloration, too to your earning capacity. I had a conversation yesterday with somebody I used to work with. And he has a huge project and, in the mix,, and he had interns that helped him to crowdfund, okay, and here’s what came up. They all of them, were not able to get more than $1,000 each of them through the crowdfunding through their own crowdfunding efforts, platform, etc. All of them. I was like, well, because that’s their blueprint. That’s all they think they’re capable of, they have reached their upper limit. And, well, how do you feel about that? Like, have you experienced that? Because for me, like, Oh, my gosh, it just became so clear to me. This is what at not at times, most of the time is actually holding us back to get more because we are not able to break through that glass ceiling, because we’re not aware of it.
Yeah, I think we all have an inner thermostat. That set to a certain degree of what we believe is the limit to our love, success, any of the things that come to our lives I we all have a thermostat that set and until we have the awareness to do otherwise, unconsciously we will yes create things in our life that will only be at that that live limits and the extent of wherever a thermostat is.
Right? wherever our level off. Yes, excellence is right. Like, if we’re looking at you and I as dancers, like there was the limit, that was our level of excellence where we didn’t think there’s anything above that for us, for many reason, unworthiness, or, however, we want to look at it. And with that came our ability to make money. Because if we’re, we’re holding ourselves, we’re fighting for our limits, then we’re also fighting for our capacity or earning capacity, or ability even, right? Yeah. And we are, we’re, we’re comfortable here.
And like, I like the word use of fighting, it’s, it’s we’re fighting for the story that has either been put on us, or we’ve put on ourselves of unworthiness, feeling flawed in some way. Maybe there’s something from abandonment, all of those things, set a story and set a scene for us. And then really, it’s a lot of times you can get in that victim mentality where you want to fight to justify the hurt, because it’s natural to feel that hurt. But it’s everyone’s choice to either fight to keep that or to gain a level of awareness to then set your thermostat to a different degree.To gain a level of awareness to then set your thermostat to a different degree. Click To Tweet
Okay, now, let’s play around with this a little bit. When we’re looking at the thermostat that is set for us as artists, I feel that box is really tight. Yeah, there are there’s so many boundaries, not boundaries, they’re not healthy boundaries, in my in my opinion. But there are a lot, a lot of things that this is how it should be. And this is how it’s been. And if we change it, nothing good is going to come out of it. And I feel that if we would actually give ourselves the grace to explore what could be in our zone of excellence, genius, genius. What would that look like? Who would we have to become as a collective? I feel maybe not so many companies would be struggling right now. I feel that perhaps people that are employed in the arts would not have to go and work at McDonald’s, but they would have other streams of income already set up. So I had this conversation this morning with my husband on our walk. We’re talking about Ryan Reynolds, love the guy Ryan, if you listening to this podcast, love to connect, honestly. I love his his wisdom and I love his humor and how he delivers his message. Now this man has, like so many other businesses that he runs and is the CEO of if we’re looking at the rock, if we’re looking at Matthew McConaughey if we’re looking at Oh gosh, Will Smith, Kevin Hart, yeah, um, they all do not stand on just one leg. And let me let me tell you that becoming an actor making it in the industry getting where there are at requires a lot of time, a lot of work on themselves, etc. Just like any other athlete or dancer for that matter, yet today have managed to open up their mindset and to understand that that can go at any given point, I will not be in any more, I will not be the favor or flavor of the year anymore. And then what? So they have figured out that having multiple streams of income and having that money work for them is the way to go. Now my question here long it is why we’re not figuring this out as dancers or artists like why are we clinging on to this believe that this is all we can do? We have to surrender ourselves to the art. Yeah, you can do that. You can work 12 hours, but you can also work another hour on something else.
Yeah, maybe finding a lot, I’ll speak for me. I can say that I absolutely was in that position up until about three years ago, where I, I was just tunnel vision in entertainment. So for me, at the time, I adopted the story that I was not a serious artist, unless I was all encompassed in, you know, my profession and strictly in entertainment. So I might have had times where I was performing professionally in a show. And I was also teaching a pre professional company, you know, setting a choreographing or directing a musical for them or, or teaching dance classes or something while I was performing. So those that that was really the only thing that I saw as multiple streams coming in was doing things relative to the arts, because I had the story of, that’s the only way you’re a true, a true artist is this, every last drop of you is in that, and so that’s really, I’ve really had that belief. So I don’t know if that’s universal, but I know for me, until I was in my 30s, I, I only thought that from the time I was a teenager to that. So that was really my perspective, there were just I felt like it would it would be taking me away from this, I was very serious, the seriousness of being the artists that I was, so I held on to that identity is what I look at it like now
That was you thermostat, that was your upper limit, right? Okay. And with that came your capacity to earn, like you really hit that ceiling of there is no. Did you know how we were chasing the money? Like, every week, we know, these are our income sources. And that’s what I get in the bank. And I’m going to live off of that versus changing the perspective of how much do I want to earn? And how am I going to get there? Okay, now, what I really wanted to say, totally slipped my mind. Okay, so we’re got it. Where did that belief come from? Do you can you trace it back?
No, that’s okay.
Well, for me, that just seemed to be my personality. Because I always took everything so seriously. Everything, everything was so serious. So I think there was just a part, I’m an all in type of person. And, you know, sometimes that might be clouded in that perspective of that.
But can’t you be all in? And then some?
Oh, yeah. Oh, okay.
Clarify that I was like,
Going all in meant, like, everything else goes on, decided not to focus on that. So I definitely had an extreme perspective about it. But I mean, even the examples around me were of such as well. So my directors and choreographers, other performer, fellow performers, it was like, unless you were in between shows or in between a gig, then you would do the hustle, do the survival jobs in the city. But that was it. There was never any other passion project on the side, or another stream of income on the side. So I think it was also the examples around me as well.
Right? Right. That was your thermostat. Right? And it was the same for me like my years in Berlin. Oh my gosh, I mean, 13 months of salary. Yeah, it was very comfortable. comfortable. I I wasn’t really, or I didn’t, I did not adapt the mindset of thinking outside the box or asking myself other questions. I was in that bubble that lived the same way and I did not there. Now granted, we didn’t have the internet at that time. It was just starting to look outside and what I what are these other people doing? So not, I’m not using that as an excuse. I’m using that as an example. Like if you find yourself In that kind of mindset, nowhere that this is leading you to, this is going to, you know, you will always relive the same day, you will, you will find yourself in your 30s, probably quite unhappy, and perhaps some sort of rock bottom opening up for you, which there’s nothing wrong with it. However, we’re here to give you some tools. So you may have a jumpstart, so you may not have that rock bottom or that feeling of completely being lost come to you.So you may have a jumpstart, so you may not have that rock bottom or that feeling of completely being lost come to you. Click To Tweet
Yeah. And that actually sparked something is that that really was the catalyst to open my eyes to something else was that I entered my 30s, like you said, and, you know, I would have followed performers who were 20 next to me, and we’re making the same amount. And so regardless of because that’s the other thing, at least what I experienced in entertainment, the amount of years the length of your resume doesn’t necessarily dictate what, what you’re making, because if you work at a, if you’re new to a company, or you go to another theater, or you know, the show that you’re in, if it’s the ensemble, the ensemble gets paid, whatever, it gets paid, no matter what, it’s based on roles, or based on whatever. So, if you’re on the ensemble, and you’re 31 and you’re on the ensemble, and you’re 19 just out of a conservatory or you know, secondary school or right out of just living in the city and getting a job. That’s the way it is and I started to look at that and say, Well, this was okay, maybe this is okay. At 20 but is the is this married with a husband in my 30s this is this it? Was this it and for me again, I will speak to me not make this a universal thing for me it started to not only did the industry wear on me, but that that part of it wore on me to where it just I didn’t have the same enjoyment. It felt a lot different. Over a decade later.
It felt for me like there was nowhere else to go.
You know, yes, you can get the principle contract. Yes, you can go and guess teach here and there. But you still are trading time for money. Like your time that is so valuable. You are trading that for money. I want to bring up something on this note. I know a little bit of research and the average salary, yearly salary for female dancers in the United States is anywhere between $25 and $28,000. And for a male dancer, anywhere between $40K and $42K. Yeah, perhaps another topic for another episode. However, I found that very interesting and thought provoking and not that I didn’t know about it, but we all know this is not right. No, no, I did right. So and therefore I’m saying hey, ladies, even if we’re just looking at how much time you’re spending in a studio learning your profession, and what you’re earning is mind boggling to me.
It is not okay. No, I understand that. So much has to change in order to correct that. But it also starts with us but not with us but every single one that’s in that profession with not accepting the standards with being knowledgeable of what like your base salary should be. With knowing contractual arrangements, like all of these things, you’re not just there to dance, we understand that that is exactly what you want to do. And there’s nothing closer to your heart and there’s nothing you wouldn’t do for it. But it’s a long, long game like looking at it as a long game. You’re not serving yourself and you’re not setting yourself up for success. So on that topic I see resignation in your face is like oh my gosh, why?
I had no idea that it was that that grand of a scope in between and it actually sparks up one more thing I don’t want to get all wha wha one but I will say anytime I did attempts to negotiate more pay. I was always told NO It wasn’t even an option for even an action because someone else would accept
Yeah. So I think that is also another thing as a female, until things change, it’s in our best interest to think about what other gifts we have, or things that we’re passionate about to help ourselves. Because, you know, changing the entire industry overnight, I’m, I don’t know, but right now, you know, fair or not, it’s just very obvious that it would be in our best interest to consider, like you said, not something that takes 40 hours out of your week, every week right now, while your career is your focus, but some kind of passion project that you can be building, that you love to do that when the time comes for you to put more energy into it, you’ve built a great foundation for yourself. And in all, this, honestly, will just make you breathe easier in the meantime, as well, that I just wish that I had had.
Right? It’s how was that it’s when we wait for our outside our world around us to change, we will change we will never see change, or we will never because we will always find something new that should change in order to make it comfortable for us. Or another excuse that will you know, help us to Yeah, put the pressure somewhere else. And when I’m just waving to my little boy, he was like, No, dude, we’re, we’re on the podcast recording. And when so let’s give some tips on how can you ask like, what is something that we could give our ourselves perhaps, like, 10 / 15 years ago, when we are like, let’s say, starting out, or, you know, or like 25, somewhere settled in a company, whatever that looks like right now. But what are two things you would do from your knowledge that you have today? What would you do differently?
I would be open, I would be open to staying present but also thinking in terms of my future. So expanding first my the upper limits, because I love this because so much of our behaviors dictate what our upper limits are, that we don’t necessarily know. So when we start to worry about stuff, worry was my middle name. I was so anxious and worried about everything, and I worried about money, like a lot, I had more times than I can count, swiping a debit card in a store and just praying that it would get approved, like to buy my groceries, like I lived like that. So, that kind of energy crimps, this the positive energy of what you said of tapping into what our genius is. So even though we love what we do as artists, there’s I’m sure there’s other passions that we love, you know, writing art, doing makeup tutorials on YouTube, you know, whatever it is that like might love you love to do. If you can expand that curiosity and that creative flow and start to investigate what that would look like if you allowed yourself time to do that. Just breaking through either worrying or you know, if you another thing is to deflect your accomplishments, that’s another upper limit. If someone compliments you and you deflect it, you want to argue those are all things that like to first be aware of maybe the behaviors of the upper limit and when you notice that, notice why you’re there like what are you really worried about? What are you really arguing about or what are you really deflecting those type of things and the awareness first is the way to kind of crack that. That ceiling open a little bit to be able to raise up and then I love just I read this just embracing a new story about who you are. What your abilities are, because I knew for me too, I also set the story for myself that I didn’t have abilities outside of dance, which is so crazy, because that is so not true. But I just, I moved into the world of dance, and then I locked everything else out and said, I don’t have anything else to give. And I think that we all really do so to embrace a new story that you are a goddess or a God of your own creation, and what kind of world do you want to create. So first, I would say, Make a list of what you feel your upper limit behaviors are. So I’ll leave another few of them. And it could be blaming criticism, it could be making you physically ill. And just not keeping agreements, like those type of things. And then when you notice yourself doing those upper limits, expand into a feeling if you can have love and abundance, and relax from those, whatever those tension energies are, because that’s literally blocking our flow. And then just make more room for that awareness every time it comes up. Because as soon as you’re aware of something, you can start to eliminate it. And then just keep an attitude of what curiosity and wonder around your days and what you like to do. Because it could just start by making your day better, and filling your cup because you’re doing something else that you love to do outside of rehearsals or outside of your training. And it could just start there. And having no limits on where it could go is where you start. So I would say this is very long winded answer. First make a list of you can observe yourself for the next week, and what behaviors come up? Are those behaviors coming up and identify what those upper limits are first, because if we don’t know how we act towards them, we don’t know how to start to release them. And then then what else? What are your gifts? What do you feel like is part of your genius and write that down? And if nothing else, just start doing more of those things right now?
Beautiful. I’m gonna add my two cents to that. So I want 1,000% agree. And I’m going to add that on the set in the same token, explore your relationship and your stories with money. Like, actually have a conversation with yourself like what does it bring up in you? Is that making your heart beat faster? Is it something that you want to avoid? At all costs? Or do you do you hang on to money because you have fear? Is it just sitting in your savings account because saving money and making money work for you are two different things we’ve been taught I’ve been taught to save money, and just Where’s your saving account? And we’re so moving away from that. It’s more getting back to Okay, let’s have the two three grand in cash under your mattress just in case and have the rest working for you start investing money like start learning about it even so, my number one thing would be that I would tell myself go get a better relationship with money. Like right now. Right now. Why don’t you ask better questions? Why aren’t you looking into it? Why do you think that you are not a worthy of earning more like Who says that? Who are you believing? Because you get to create your own life. Nobody else. It’s all on you. And you can go and find inspiration nowadays everywhere. Just log into Clubhouse I mean, the great give the best coaching Grant Cardone is on there every day. Chris Harder, Lewis Howes, Lori Harder, they’re all on there. Jen Gottlieb It’s amazing. Like it’s a deep rabbit hole. However, it definitely is worth listening to just getting a different idea to get outside of your, your own bubble that you’re being in there. your thermostat needs raising. And you get that by well, yeah. Raising it yourself and getting inspiration from others. So these are my two cents for that. Yeah. Okay, well, what’s on the agenda for this week for you? Do you have anything like one thing that you want to achieve.
It’s not business related,
Well, this God,
No, no, no. When we’re saying it’s not business related, I truly believe that we can only step forward in our business as much as we are capable of stepping forward in our personal development, like it is in such strong and clear relationships, if you’re a terminal and have limiting beliefs in here that will reflect clearly in your business.
So yes, I love that. So two things one is one of my commitments for February is to be physically active and move my body every day. And that might seem funny on this podcast, but the last month of my official retirements, from performing has been more stationary than I have ever been in my entire life, I really required a reset of my relationship with my body, in terms of how I move it, and how I treat it. I only it was in my programming to be very aggressive physically with my body, and I couldn’t, I didn’t listen. I could, I didn’t listen when it needed rest, when it didn’t need that extra, you know, few reps when it wasn’t as flexible and pliable that day. And I pulled anyway to because I, you know, said that’s what I should be doing and so I really, I really, very seriously took a reset. And that meant be very stationary. And I needed to have that time and that peace and that healing with my regards to my body. So I finally feel like as we entered 2021 and went into January, I felt ready to figure out what a new regimen looked like for me as a regular person. And so now this month, I’m committed to moving my body every single day. And I really have adopted a beautiful loving relationship with it to not be so aggressive and not be so mean. Just move with with flow and ease. So that’s one of them. And then I actually finished this book last Friday, and I started it again today. And I’m going to get through it one more time, it was one of those I need it, I really wanted to absorb even more again. So I’m rereading as Infinite self by Stuart Wilde. And I just love at 33 steps to reclaiming your inner power. And it was such a good book that I just want to absorb double the information. So I will be rereading that this week.
Awesome. I love it. Okay, so for me this week is I cleared actually all my schedule, I’m not doing any podcast interviewing. And it’s all about creating and listening and getting outside of my comfort zone more to build what I actually really want to build, and to really listen in to these limiting beliefs that are coming up that are saying why you, nobody’s going to like it. You know, all of these stories, I don’t want them anymore. I have reached my upper limit with that I am my word freedom for the year is becoming so clear. I don’t need these anymore. They’re not serving me However, it’s not even me, it’s something in me that wants to hold on to it just to feel safe, and I’m not gonna have it anymore. So that’s my weeks. Not task, but it really pulling me to to not deal with it. But to really be there with it and get through it and get to the other side of it. Yes, I feel like it’s holding me right now a little bit of an anchor,
Which is a great example of awareness that you’re tuned into those kinds of energies and, and that’s, that’s what I love about this journey, too, is into awareness and it stems all kinds of branches about our life, but you get more in tune to listening to that. And so you become less restrictive, like I’ve you know, the thermostat becomes a lot more flexible. I feel like we know how to turn it down when we need to and turn it back up and that’s how you keep expanding it you know, without the resistance and just allowing the energy to dictate, you know what you put your put your focus on. So the Really cool.
All right. Standing. Yeah, well, what else is there?
There is nothing else.
I, you know, I write, there’s like, I find so much joy in it now, because I’ve taken off. And we’re getting into her a little bit of a not a ramble here, but I really want to share this, because I was so focused on moving in my box that I didn’t even give myself permission to learn. Yeah. And change changing that perspective changed everything. It changed how I interact with myself, it changed the way I love myself, it changed how I interact with everybody else around me. The whole story about perfectionism, blah, it was so heavy. I have to reel myself in every day, though. Like, it’s not this is not over yet. And it also has given me the permission to Why don’t I look into investing? Why don’t I learn about it? Why don’t I look in way more possibilities out there to make money. Like another passion of mine is real estate. I frickin love real estate. Like in my next life, I’m going to be a real estate agent, I’m going to be everything and around that. But who tells me that I can’t learn about it. You know, if I put like 30 minutes a day into it. Next year around this time, I can be an expert. And as giving myself the permission to take time to because I’m not doing it for anybody else. I’m doing it for me. Yeah. You know? Yep. So that that that is where I’m at. All right, thank you. Yeah, I think Well, here we go. Money and Art we went from I don’t know if thermostats to perfectionism. We really hope that you got something out of this, at least where to start in your process of finding awareness and finding out what your beliefs and stories around yourself and your upper limits are and worth where your thermostat actually is at and what can happen to your ability to perform and your ability to earn when you break through these kind of upper limits. Actually summed it up. There we go. Thanks, guys for listening. We’ll talk to you next week.
About Christy Little
Former professional dancer turned entrepreneur who is passionate about living in purpose and assisting people to see the greatness inside of them to live their ideal life.