Money & Art with Christy & Susanne

MONEY & ART WITH CHRISTY

January 28, 2021

Christy & Susanne connecting this week over $$ mindset and the effects it has on artists. Come join us with no judgment. We are holding space to learn, laugh and downright pointe at ourselves.

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Money & Art with Christy & Susanne

Susanne 

Good morning, my lovelies, and welcome to another episode of the pointers podcast. We are talking about art and money today. So how are you? How was your week? And we’ll explain why we’re giggling right now.

Christy 

My week was great. I  feel like lately, there’s been new energetic thresholds to break through. And this week definitely was that for me, and I was able to do that. And I feel really great these last few days. So how has your week been for you?

Susanne 

Okay, right.

Christy 

Oh, you want to you want to get

Susanne 

I would get there. Because you said you feel like you broke through them? What does that mean? Cuz I’m, I’m jealous, that’s awesome.

Christy 

Well, I had some self reflection this week of how, how easy it is to let outside external influences affect everything about your internal. So obviously, we live in this world. And obviously, we’re affected by things that are not just us, because we live here. But ultimately, you know, people that always seem to manifest what they’re wanting to or have their dream life, they live in this world, too. So there’s really two perspectives you can have. And you can allow the external to dictate what your internal world is, and reflect in every part of your world. Or you can control you’re not control, but you can focus on your energy, where regardless of what’s going on outside of you, you know, you’re you could still be thriving. And so I really tapped into that this weekend, and get a better understanding that if we are always looking for solutions outside of ourselves, we’re gonna forever be in this tornado kind of energy. And I definitely got wrapped up into that. And it was some deep self reflection the last few days to get myself back to a higher vibe. So,

Susanne 

um, you know, we may just have to turn this into a spiritual podcast. But and here’s what I heard the other day, it was like that money is while money is energy, and it has everything to do with spirituality. And the more abundance you have the more room for spirituality you actually create. So I found that very interesting. We’re gonna explore that too. Yeah, ever. How was my week, frickin awesome. Kind of just awesome. Like, I feel like I am starting to step into my, where I’m supposed to be and what I’m supposed to do in every possible way, and it’s that helping others, creating innovation, having a vision and living that out and, you know, holding space for people that wanted to be part of that. And I want to share this, I was debating, so I don’t watch much TV anymore. However, I binged watch the Bridgerton (Richardson.) I can’t even say that out loud. Netflix serious. Last night. Yeah, I don’t binge watch. I went to bed at like, 1:15am in the morning, which I also never do, because I go to bed at eight, because I need my sleep. So I woke up a little, not a little I’m very hung over. And hyphens tired. And it showed me oh my gosh, this is how I used to live my entire dance career. I was really well aware of what I did yesterday, I chose to stay up because it is so good. And I love just room Coombs. I love all of the romantic like, if I could live in that time, I would be right there. But so the struggle this morning like I am so grateful to have all the tools that we have acquired over the past I don’t know five years. Because if I wouldn’t have had them, I would be yelling at my kids. I would be cancelling, I would have probably canceled on you today. I would still be in bed. I would be stuffing my face with chocolate. Yeah. And interesting. Also, it came out like oh my gosh, you’re not you’re not feeling your very best. So I’m like, Okay, I’m letting myself down. I have all of these dreams. I’m not setting myself up for success. And I so quickly forgot on how much fun I had yesterday to be completely absorbed in something that I don’t know. Just brought me joy.

Christy 

Hmm. Then isn’t it an interesting thing and then when you have guilt around that after the fact

Susanne 

yeah Oh gosh, yeah. Because you know why? It’s like standing in a studio having your teacher tell you, did you not lose those two pounds? I asked you to lose Shame on you. You didn’t do what I expected you to do. And that voice in me is still so longing to be heard and to be coming out, like, Oh, it’s just different now I can like the feeling of guilt. Yes, it’s here. But quite honestly, it what matters even more as if we’re buying into it or not? Yeah, and I have no time for that girl. No, no, no, no, no, no,

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Christy 

the difference between, you know, I feel through development, you’ll all you’ll allow that ego in that voice to maybe dim of it. But that doesn’t mean that it’s going to go away. That doesn’t mean that we’re never going to have that little pesky nest, it’s there. But if we don’t make it our truth, that’s the difference. You can Exactly. Thanks for your suggestion. Thanks for the recommendation and send that thought along ago. Yeah. Or you can embed it and then make that part of your identity. I think that  is the skill not making those completely go away, necessarily some things we might be able to unprogrammed some things I think we’re always going to have that little naggy voice to try to keep us. Everybody hasn’t familiar or whatever. But it’s whether you can flick a guy visualize that I literally say, thank you for thanks for playing. Thanks for suggestion, I literally flick it away.

Susanne 

Oh, I like that.

Christy 

That’s a very fit like a very visual person. But I’m also a very physical person I always needed to do, you know, watch the choreographer do the moves, and I needed to mark with them while they were marking because that’s just how I get it in my body. So like that visual of being physical with it was what like resonated with me to solidify that, so,

Susanne 

okay, I like it. Hang on, just flick it up. Oh, you know, this is not video today. So this is okay. And boom, mic, we have a boom mic today. Okay, so today, we wanted to talk about how to make money in 2021. And that sparked from a call I was on a last Monday where I was asked that question. And it brought me back to being a dancer where I never asked myself that question, how am I gonna make money this year? And we’ll get this, how much do do I want to make this year? So that’s, let’s get into this. Do you recall those times? And there’s no, there’s no judgment? I am. What we’re saying here is that we don’t know what we don’t know. But you literally have the power to decide what you want, how much you want to make. How are you going to make that? And I make it something exciting and not a byproduct of what you love to do?

Christy 

Yes, yes. I I completely agree with that. And I do resonate with the perspective of that that was never the goal. That was never part of my, you know, beginning of each year looking at the next year of what I would love it was it was goals of, you know, who I wanted to work for what shows I wanted to do, you know, that kind of thing. But from a monetary standpoint, it was never even in the picture at all, never a thought never a thought at all.

Susanne 

You know what? So the only way in Germany when I was dancing there that I could make more money is not by getting a raise, but performing solo as roles as a core dancer, because we would gaps like depending on the difficulty of the role, get extra money per show. Okay. And that was the only way we could or so I thought was the only way I could make more money. Now that doesn’t exist in North America at all. Not at the smaller companies, I’m sure to bigger companies, they’re all unionized. Do you have those kind of things in place? I would think I I am not aware of it. However, so when I couldn’t dance a solo because I was sick, or Yeah, because I was sick. I was sad because I didn’t make that extra money because the base salary of a core dancer in Berlin was How much you didn’t make I think two grand a month, which, you know, was lovely. But that just covered my, my living expenses. And there was nothing more. So I thought, because I didn’t know, I was just there, I wasn’t smart around money, and I just took it as something that I need to eat and sleep. And I never made it work for me. However, that is definitely a possibility that is out there. So we’re Let me ask you that, when did you start actually building a different relationship with money, like understanding that it is not something that is evil and bad. But it is something that can make such a big difference in the world,

Christy 

really, maybe about a year and a half ago, very, very recently, very recently, that, in my personal development journey has by far been the most embedded and most tumultuous for me to work through because I really, I really had so much guilt around the desire to make money. I really did. I really thought from a deep emotional aspect that it was bad for me to, to desire it to want to make a lot or to you know, the word millionaire is like that, that just, you might as well have said something in a different language to me, it didn’t, it just did. Like it felt nothing when I heard that. And I just felt like, I don’t know, I just it wasn’t even in association with me It couldn’t feel it at all. And so then I had to really reflect in and ask myself why I felt that way there was unworthiness for me, but it was also I had a story around that, you know, I just be a bad person. Like, it just would make me a bad person. because money is the root of all evil, like it was that that kind of story that was just so very, very deep for me. But then I realized that charities, foundations, anything that you do, good to make a difference. you require money for people, yes, you can donate your time. But ultimately, there are resources you require. Somebody requires helping that charity or that foundation to do good. And so when I, I looked at it from that perspective, I said, Well, then, why couldn’t I be a person that makes a difference? Like, it doesn’t have to be for me to need three fancy cars or houses all over the world? What if that just meant that I could have resources to instead of just watch stuff and say, that’s wrong peep, somebody should do something about that, that I could be a person that would actually be able to do something and so that it was really a hard fight? Like, personal full shift 180 for me to to just see it see money in a different way? That’s Yeah,

Susanne 

do you huh? Okay, we’re gonna go from here. So, it is asking that different are asking questions.

Christy 

Yeah.

Susanne 

Do you know why I stayed up until like, 1:15am this morning is because does TV series was like, a conjunction of how life used to be. And women starting to question society question the things that they have to do in order to be seen or be married, you know, their, their social, socially acceptance and their their coming out. And and all of these traditions that were literally questions and one of the questions or hustle was that, you know, we’ve been fat, all those beliefs, but isn’t it on us to choose to believe them and to live by them? It is? Absolutely. And I think with with really understanding that that’s where you’re really tapping into your power. And this is where you really experience your freedom. Emma Isaac’s book winging it, love it. She starts every day out with asking questions like she’s not making a to do list. She’s making a What am I going to create today list? She asked herself questions, how do I want to feel today? What do I want to accomplish today? And I find that particularly in the arts, and when it comes to money, and a business relationship

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and the creation were so much stuck, just like this series I watched last night because we keep following these old beliefs and old paradigms that have perhaps worked for a long time. But thanks to evolution, and no longer are applicable, and it’s that letting go and giving yourself the permission to ask different questions. And when we’re talking about money, I came up there from you, and you said, we have the choice to look at it from different angles, it truly is our choice. And yes, it is so easy to say, Hey, I’m just gonna, I want to be really, really content with my 900 bucks a week. And here’s what I can do with. However, if you were to ask yourself the question, what if, what else can I do? If I could? Then what would that open up for you? What would come up with you? Oh, yeah, you said, we can all give our time. And that’s lovely. But we have a certain amount of time and energy that we can put in, look at money as the multiplier of that time and energy, it can do so much more good. And it really is an energy that however, and whatever kind of energy we’re putting into it. That is what it’s going to do with it.

 

Christy 

Yeah. Hey,

Susanne 

I am waking up.

Christy 

And that’s why we work good together. We all would make us big circle. We just wrap it up. Yes.

Susanne 

But isn’t that the truth though? Huh? Yeah.

Christy 

Yeah, it’s Yes, yes. Because, I mean, we could talk about this with any subject, we all live on the same earth. And there are some people that are thriving, and seem to be in a state of bliss all the time, or most of the time. And then other people who are suffering are everything is negative, and doom and gloom, and they complain all the time. And we all live on the same planet. So what what is the difference between these people like outside of some circumstances, or what were brought into? That ultimately, we all have a choice of, of the perspective of how we get ourselves into a different situation? Yeah.

Susanne 

And you know, What luck, I feel has nothing to do with it. I’ve seen quite a bit of people speaking up about, you know, it takes a lot of luck to be seen as an answer or to make it in the industry and whatever industry you’re in. It’s about luck. 75%. And I’m sorry, that is not the truth. Yeah, I don’t you create your own reality, you create what you want to see it has nothing to do with luck. Luck is such a powerless entity. Nope. Not buying it. No. And don’t even want to bring that into the next generation. No, actually, let’s let’s remove luck from from the backup vocabulary.

 

Christy 

Yeah, yeah, I I completely agree with what you just said, especially just staying on the dance scenario right now, for me. I was so unlikely I was I had, I didn’t have proper training until I was about 12. And I was so far behind, and I kicked my booty for the next six years to more than surpass where I was supposed to be at my supposed to be at my age, to go to Ailey to then, you know, still not necessarily know what my right fit was. And then I I’ve had a full career for 15 years where I’ve worked consistently in this industry. And I don’t I don’t think me being able to work at all the different companies and theatres and all that and get where I got was was lucky. It was dedication and drive home. There’s so much for

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Susanne 

showing up and being there and having conversations and

Christy 

yeah, exactly, exactly. So I think that I think luck. Personally, I think luck is a word that makes it very easy for people to not put in a level of work or a level of energy because they see that as they they’re unlucky or you just get lucky and they didn’t so you know, their energy’s not in the right place. Everything is that like you said, everything’s energy and everything’s a frequency. So what frequency are we are we at? Are we in a, a lack victim frequency? Are we in a, you know, higher state where either people or opportunities are coming to us and we are open to receive them? If you’re in that lower state, you’re not open to receive it. money to for sure.

Susanne 

Yeah. So I want to share it as we talk. You and I talked about this before we jumped on here in this workshop. That was in last week. We were talking about how we’re going to make money so we have broken down every channel of income that we have. And we have set goals for those, and what that comes up to like, what’s our overall goal. And then she said something that made me want to push the leave meeting button. And that was now put another zero at the end of your goal, and go figure out how you’re going to do that. And I learned in that moment that Oh, my gosh, like the thoughts that are coming in right right now are so disturbing, where I really want to go. It was, how do you think you could ever make this much money? You don’t deserve this? You’re not one of them? And am I going oh, my goodness, like, I’ll be starting all over again. And I, I could literally look at myself from the outside seeing that little girl feeling so unworthy of anything and everything that I was just like, wow, you still have a lot of work to do. But I didn’t get scared or I didn’t judge myself. It’s like, Okay, good to know, you will get there. Once you break through those ceilings, you will get there. When you do all the work on a daily basis, when you really put in that 1% every single day to get better and better and better. How would you feel if I say hey, Christy, your income goal, okay, put another zero on it and what does that bring up for you?

Christy 

Same thing as what I said a few moments ago is is like, I can’t energetically see that. Like I can’t they don’t they that feels like something I just look at and that isn’t can’t like come to me. It doesn’t feel like me. So same thing. Like I said, this one is the deepest route, which I love why we’re that we’re talking about this every week, because there’s been so much for me to work through. It hasn’t just been like, Oh, I don’t know, I’m, I’m fine. Making money. I really was have not been I’ve really had to work through this. So yeah, that that feels like there’s there’s work to be done of what is the dissociation between that when you add, you know, that extra zero that I feel the energy shift in me. And so what what is that that’s still level of I’m trying to sit if it feels like unworthiness. For me, I’m not sure if it’s that for me, it feels like what do I need all that money for? There’s still that, like, there’s that part of like, well, I don’t need that much like. So get more, you know, it’s something like that. It’s like, Okay, then why? What, what would you do with it, then then what would it be for? If it’s not for your fifth house? In Bali? Then what would you do with it? So that’s that’s something for me to reflect on of, of unlimited abundance, you know, abundance versus unlimited abundance? Well, what is unlimited abundance feel like? And then what would you do if you had unlimited abundance?

Susanne 

It’s so good that you bringing that up? We? What would unlimited abundance look like? I don’t I’m not ready to go there yet. Because I don’t see myself in there yet that even though it’s like a tuck in a poll. It’s like, Oh, yeah, I have to let go of so much in order to find that person that thought that way. All the time. I had this conversation with my husband the other day, we were talking about, when do we start thinking we don’t deserve? When did we shrink ourselves to thinking that we can only make a certain amount of money because we’re in the arts, we can, you know, we’re parents, we’re, we’re all we’re having all of these labels on our back. And therefore, you can only make a certain amount of money. I remember in Charleston at CBT a donor had given me her car because my broke down and it was a Mercedes M class. Okay. So that was a huge deal. And the comments I received from everybody around me, oh, did you get a pay raise? I didn’t think dancers could drive a Mercedes. I don’t think this is for you. You shouldn’t be in this car that doesn’t fit together, I’m like whoa. But that came back like I had all of this coming into me and into my world, not understanding what the underlying message actually really was. And we really just discovered it the other day. And I also remember that, oh, my mother, bless her. bless her soul. She just didn’t know any better either. Because she was growing up like that, but Her, why would you need this? You don’t need all of this. Why do you always have to have all the new stuff that most certainly created this push and pull because my my soul is so free and so strong and so overbearing at times that she just couldn’t understand. Like, what are you telling me? Why are you telling me I can? I’m gonna go and find a way to get it anyways. Like I used to take money out of my mother’s wallet to get what I wanted. Oh, yeah, I, okay, really open conversation, I actually had to go to a psychologist. Because of that my my mother literally thought there is something really truly wrong with me. And there’s 250 pound, I don’t know, he seemed really old and stuck in a rut. East German psychologist looked at me with his greasy hair and greasy beard. And still I can still smell this the cigarette smoke on him. So what’s wrong with you? Why are you doing this? And I was like eight or seven, you really truly F*#’ed people up with this kind of approach? You know. So if we’re you posted it last week, if we keep taking our boons and sharing them with others, we are, we’re just perpetually creating our own work over and over and over again. And this is, this is why you and I are talking like stop buying into these old believes like us have questions? Yes. All the time. Rant — sorry not sorry. Total rant? Look what’s coming?

Christy 

yes, I love it. And actually, this last year, my, my perspective has been to question everything, we should question everything we should we should have. Because what we might be going along with just because we were told, told that taught that we’re seeing it around us, that does not mean that that is that is the way we should be for at least for ourselves, we have to sit with us. As individuals, there’s so much collective, there’s so much putting everybody in groups and or all together, you know, it’s too It’s too, so great. We’re all individual people, and what’s right for somebody else isn’t necessarily right for us. So, I mean, if it’s something that you’re you’re open to, and you’re at a position with that, that feels okay. I invite you to reflect on all of the beliefs or all of the things that you you feel and see if they’re yours. See, because there’s a lot of stuff that I got rid of in this past year that I realized, was nothing to do with me. And I didn’t come up with them. I didn’t I didn’t build that belief. For myself. I didn’t have that opinion. And and when you pick those apart, you really put them under a microscope and you realize you think they’re yours, and they are not. And that’s not necessarily how you think or, or feel about stuff. Very interesting.

Susanne 

Somebody else’s truth does not have to become yours. And I think that was my learn over 2020 that I had taken on for my entire life. So many believes, particularly when it comes to money. I mean, look at where it actually started. You know, I saw my mother fighting for money since ever my my dad passed away and she had to fight for his inheritance. And that went on 10 years. Can you believe it? And her like getting sick all the time over it and losing sleep and I don’t know like it was and yeah, no wonder, we carry on this. Money brings evil money brings uncertainty, money brings all of these things. And when we’re looking into the arts, yes, it can create so much but when we keep chasing it if we’re not letting it in, but we’re chasing it, we’re not putting out the right energy. So to put a ball around as I think you said it’s so beautifully. Two things. Somebody else’s truth doesn’t have to become yours. And be our challenge to you for this week is to go explore. What does it look like? What does your income goal for 2021 look like? Just write it down, write it down and see where that could come from. And we both challenge you to not only take a one income stream in into consideration, but look, what else can you do? Like, what else? Are you good at? What else are you passionate about? There’s so many ways on making extra three $400 a month or even, you know, which whatever you want to do whatever feeds your soul. What else do you want to do with your life except going to the studio and back into the performance? So write down your income goal, and then put another zero behind it and let us know how you feel after that.

Christy 

Yeah, right. Yeah,

Susanne 

yeah. No, we want to know if you felt the same. Like I have to get rid of all my anger, and unworthiness and not for me.

Christy 

Yeah, stuff will come up, I’m sure.

Susanne 

Yeah. Oh, yeah. But you have to sit down it will take like, just light a candle, make it comfortable. Put your diffuser on whatever you do, to make your house a Zen place. And then write it down and see what comes up. All right. Well, Christy, money and spirituality, maybe as this is gonna be

Christy 

you right now, well, you know, that’s a deep focus of mine. So everything whether I want it to or not, wrap keeps wrapping up around that so that that’s actually how I was able to begin expanding my, my energy around money was just a deep soulful connection with me, like you said, things are gonna come up, get cozy, put, make the setting nice. So it’s not, you know, an arduous task. But when you start to unearth who you are and you’re able to identify stuff and decide we get to decide, we won’t know want to be the the person you know, we don’t have to change everything. But you know, if there are parts of you that aren’t serving you anymore, this is a beautiful relationship, you get to develop with yourself. And until we do that, there’s so much of us that we would just walk around completely unconscious to a whole aspect of ourselves. So it’s a way to get to know you better. That was a spiritual rant.

Susanne 

Alright guys, till next week, thank you so much for tuning in. We’re so grateful for you and let us know what’s coming up. We’re we’re definitely here for you. Yeah. Thanks.

Thank you, my darling.

Thank you.

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